tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post116117933273137056..comments2023-11-16T03:47:04.958-06:00Comments on Midnight Cafe Discussions: Mat Brewsterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10572618956112125321noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161576685453206292006-10-22T22:11:00.000-06:002006-10-22T22:11:00.000-06:00"Josh is describing what is called "High Art"- it ..."Josh is describing what is called "High Art"- it takes heart, soul, and mind, and throw in skill; then you've got art. Without any one of these factors many will not consider it art."<BR/><BR/>I hold closely to this definition.<BR/><BR/>According to this, my wife makes art.<BR/><BR/>I think she explained it pretty well. I also trust her since she's academically proven as well as skillfully accomplished.<BR/><BR/>Love you, too.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161380213150508032006-10-20T15:36:00.000-06:002006-10-20T15:36:00.000-06:00I love you Sipper it just seems like you’re resist...I love you Sipper it just seems like you’re resisting something or holding something back in some of your comments. I can’t figure it out and that is starting to baffle me.<BR/><BR/>Much love and peace to you my brother.mullinz8https://www.blogger.com/profile/18281212571618971818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161376954124064832006-10-20T14:42:00.000-06:002006-10-20T14:42:00.000-06:00Again I hate to be late to the game but what does ...Again I hate to be late to the game but what does your wife do? I’ve seen what is considered to be art in the form of tapestries but then again it’s just a very detailed and time intensive recreation of a fox hunt. Is your wife making High-Art, regular art or creating fancy carpets?<BR/>Honestly, I do want an answer. I’ve seen some of her work and I think it’s beautiful and I think she’s a talented artist. Is she making these projects to glorify God or because she has chosen a unique way to express herself? If the latter is the case, I think you’ve said there is no way to call it art and she’s basically wasting her time because it doesn’t do anything to bring praise.<BR/><BR/>After reading the Brew & Sip conversation I understand what you’re saying but I still just don’t get it. Why do you not allow yourself to enjoy something for the simple sake of enjoying it? <BR/><BR/>I get the most enjoyment out of observing the creations of God through nature and the environment. There are no colors in the world that God hasn’t already tucked away in the flowers, leaves, mountains, oceans, creatures and sky of this world. Everything people have created, rather replicated, is based out of echoing a creation of God. Planes were inspired by birds, computers from our brain, electricity from understanding naturally occurring currents in humans and sky’s. All man kind has ever done is to try and replicate what’s already been done. We are limited because we’re humans and so what? I don’t think Michelangelo was trying to be God when he painted spiritual scenes I think he was trying to copy and praise through his work.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the conversation is dead already, I don’t know. I think you’re denying yourself a lot of simple pleasures because everything you look at has to fit some sort of regimented standard.<BR/><BR/>Yes everything we do is supposed to glorify God. Your attitude and presence represents God at your work but your body of work does nothing to glorify God its self.<BR/><BR/>I think what strikes me again and again is that you seem to, not purposefully though, put things down that don’t fit into your high standard. If it’s not art to you, it shouldn’t be art to anyone else. If it’s not music you like, it’s not true, quality music.mullinz8https://www.blogger.com/profile/18281212571618971818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161352446842321012006-10-20T07:54:00.000-06:002006-10-20T07:54:00.000-06:00Only if the flusher handle on the toilet were in t...Only if the flusher handle on the toilet were in the shape of a crucifix...<BR/><BR/>Oh, and you'd have to be naked and covered in grass clippings, too.<BR/><BR/>Sorry you were sick, dude.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161352154457870052006-10-20T07:49:00.000-06:002006-10-20T07:49:00.000-06:00Sorry, I would have chimed in on this discussion, ...Sorry, I would have chimed in on this discussion, but I was at home busy hugging a toilet throwing up! Is that art?Ryan F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16660649751507620475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161309288613442302006-10-19T19:54:00.000-06:002006-10-19T19:54:00.000-06:00Hahaha! I am sure you are exhausted!Hahaha! <BR/><BR/>I am sure you are exhausted!kelliejahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14426034949466829374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161308732741213942006-10-19T19:45:00.000-06:002006-10-19T19:45:00.000-06:00Thanks guys. It feels good to be appreciated for ...Thanks guys. It feels good to be appreciated for something other than my mommy abilities, important though they are. This blog is sometimes the only adult interaction I get! To bring the conversation back to boobies, they play a prominent role in my time and worth lately... nursing. :)lilsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00372898259175575200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161288682466368192006-10-19T14:11:00.000-06:002006-10-19T14:11:00.000-06:00yeah, there was a lot of dude sweat going on in he...yeah, there was a lot of dude sweat going on in here till Rachel popped in.kelliejahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14426034949466829374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161283245869490462006-10-19T12:40:00.000-06:002006-10-19T12:40:00.000-06:00She's smarter than me, anyway. Somehow, she alway...She's smarter than me, anyway. Somehow, she always manages to explain in one post what it takes me 20 to explain!bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161281612720780922006-10-19T12:13:00.000-06:002006-10-19T12:13:00.000-06:00Rachel... why didnt you pipe in 40 comments ago......Rachel... why didnt you pipe in 40 comments ago... we could be looking at a low level posting if you had done that...<BR/><BR/>but maybe it was good that you didnt.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161280042019079702006-10-19T11:47:00.000-06:002006-10-19T11:47:00.000-06:00It's called "Fountain", I think.Ridiculous.Rachel ...It's called "Fountain", I think.<BR/><BR/>Ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>Rachel summed it all up very well.<BR/><BR/>I trust her, too. Not only because she's my wife, but because she actually went to art school.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, a good discussion.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161279310294160902006-10-19T11:35:00.000-06:002006-10-19T11:35:00.000-06:00Here's my take on it, FWIW (for what it's worth).....Here's my take on it, FWIW (for what it's worth)...<BR/><BR/>Josh is describing what is called "High Art"- it takes heart, soul, and mind, and throw in skill; then you've got art. Without any one of these factors many will not consider it art.<BR/><BR/>Then there's the crap people do just for shock value. If your work can't get attention for being beautiful (or meaningful) to the point where you have to offend somebody to get noticed, that's not art.<BR/><BR/>Then there are, for lack of a better word, cartoons. Entertainment.<BR/><BR/>Then there is "art therapy"- its appeal is highly limited, sometimes to just the person who created it. Not art to most people. Some people make scary paintings, some do underwater basket weaving. It's all pretty much just therapy, as much as hiking in the woods or talking to a shrink. But an artist it does not you make.<BR/><BR/>And finally, there is the very very broad realm of decoration. Art can be decoration, but not all decoration is art. See above HGTV comment. Also scrapbooking. Also copies of other people's art, and so on, and so forth.<BR/><BR/>Jamison, there is a famous toilet that is considered art. The artist turned it upside down and signed it. I'm drawing a blank on the name of the work or artist, but it was in my art history course.lilsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00372898259175575200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161279169468873372006-10-19T11:32:00.000-06:002006-10-19T11:32:00.000-06:00Cool. I'm glad we talked it out.Cool. I'm glad we talked it out.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161278620310483852006-10-19T11:23:00.000-06:002006-10-19T11:23:00.000-06:00I don't think that's crazy at all. I don't agree ...I don't think that's crazy at all. I don't agree with you on all points but at least I understand what you are saying.<BR/><BR/>Elevating the meaning makes sense.<BR/><BR/>I still think some ART can demonstrate mans baser elements, not to praise them but to help us understand our own plights.Mat Brewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10572618956112125321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161276406240506172006-10-19T10:46:00.000-06:002006-10-19T10:46:00.000-06:00I think you hit very close to the mark there, Brew...I think you hit very close to the mark there, Brew.<BR/><BR/>All in all, yes, art is pretty subjective. But, there's art and then there's ART.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying at all that ART has to be all religious even, just not destructive and ugly and shocking for shock's sake.<BR/><BR/>I just get so tired of people throwing around the word "art" like it's whatever. ART is not whatever. It's better than that.<BR/><BR/>I guess I just get a little upset because I love true art like I love music. I look at them almost like I look at those I love.<BR/><BR/>If someone compared my wife to a prostitute, for example, I'd be pissed. Or if someone compared one of you guys to an unspiritual heathen or something, I'd be upset.<BR/><BR/>I know it's crazy, but I feel that way.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161275493817994932006-10-19T10:31:00.000-06:002006-10-19T10:31:00.000-06:00Now we are back to the full subjectivity of it all...Now we are back to the full subjectivity of it all. What affects the soul of one man, does nothing for the other.<BR/><BR/>There is lots of outsider art that I think is trash, and awful, but I'm not going to not call it art simply because I don't like it.<BR/><BR/>I think I get it sip. You seem to be trying to make the definition so that art is something elevated above what we might define it in grade school classes.<BR/><BR/>Fair enough and a nice ideal.<BR/><BR/>However I would suggest changing your words. The definitions you are fighting against are mostly what the world accepts. <BR/><BR/>To go into the Louvre and say you saw a couple of pieces of art and a whole bunch of attempts is going to get you some confused looks and probably into a few fights.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you could call it true art and secular art or something.<BR/><BR/>I think we can find meaning and inspiration in artistic measures that don't necessarily portray the beauty of gods creation.Mat Brewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10572618956112125321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161274104767422702006-10-19T10:08:00.000-06:002006-10-19T10:08:00.000-06:00I don't think I've ever called your drawings art, ...I don't think I've ever called your drawings art, Jamison, but I may have since I think they're great!<BR/><BR/>For the record, though, I don't think they are.<BR/><BR/>I also don't necessarily think a painting of fruit is.<BR/><BR/>I do believe that art is in the heart to a great degree.<BR/><BR/>But, I still believe that if it is counter-creative, it isn't art.<BR/><BR/>Being creative is more than just making something or splashing paint on a canvas. It carries with it a full cadre of intellect, spirituality, skill, and a need to make something that affects the soul of man.<BR/><BR/>I love impressionism for that reason. I also enjoy some abstract art for the same reason.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161273589497121822006-10-19T09:59:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:59:00.000-06:00Man, i cannot wait for Stubbs to jump in here and ...Man, i cannot wait for Stubbs to jump in here and say a one liner... itll be great... my predictions, either:<BR/><BR/>1) "Where did the hot chick picture go?"<BR/><BR/>or<BR/><BR/>2) "Art Shmart"JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161273518531614792006-10-19T09:58:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:58:00.000-06:00The rest of the stuff is an attempt.Human beings c...The rest of the stuff is an attempt.<BR/><BR/>Human beings come up short more often than not. It's just part of being one.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161273450152297572006-10-19T09:57:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:57:00.000-06:00I was never sad around wendy... in fact, the oppos...I was never sad around wendy... in fact, the opposite... odd.<BR/><BR/>I hate to keep beating this horse, but for the sake of lively debate:<BR/><BR/>"I believe that if our imitations have elements that are not creative (i.e. destructive) we have made the opposite of art or anti art."<BR/><BR/>But if I create ANYTHING, how is it not creative? Do you mean creative as in the opposite of unoriginal? But if we 'imitate' what God made (Like paint a picture of a flower) then that isnt all that "creative" (As in the opposite of unoriginal).<BR/><BR/>No two humans are the same. Everyone sees things in different ways. Take 100 people and tell them to paint this glass vase... all will be different, all creative, and perhaps all art.<BR/><BR/>Maybe art comes down to the heart of the artist.<BR/>If the girl in my example paints that painting to truly express herself with NO intensions on hurting someone, i think it is art. If some art snob ass paints Jesus on the cross with crap on his chest and the head of a clown and a dog peeing on his feet, all for the sake of "shocking" the public, no, I will say that isnt all that artsy, but along the same lines as Fear Factor or the Jerry Springer show.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly enough, though I do draw alot and create alot of "art", I dont consider anything I do to be art. Why? Because TO ME, my definition of art is different from anyone else. To me, cartoons (or whatever it is called that I do) isn't art. As much as Sipper or Mullins may say it is... it is not to me. To Sip and Mulls, maybe it is art. To me, it aint.<BR/><BR/>To me, KelliJs cartoon wasnt art... to her, I garantee it is. To sip, a bowl of fruit painted perfectly to reflect every aspect of light is art, to me, it is not. <BR/><BR/>Maybe I dont know what art is, but Ill know it when I see it.<BR/><BR/>For the record, to me, the tits chick with the sword wasnt art... it was more of a cartoon... but to the artist it may very well have been art.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161273308252511772006-10-19T09:55:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:55:00.000-06:00Then I'll go back to Kellie's question. What do y...Then I'll go back to Kellie's question. What do you call the rest of the stuff?<BR/><BR/>Wendy was beautiful and full of life and vigor. But yes often a very confused damaged young lady.Mat Brewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10572618956112125321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161272910903072442006-10-19T09:48:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:48:00.000-06:00I always liked Wendy, but I didn't think she was h...I always liked Wendy, but I didn't think she was hot.<BR/><BR/>I thought she was damaged and hurt. I only ever felt pity for her. I couldn't hang out with her much because it made me feel profoundly depressed.<BR/><BR/>We were English majors together. She wrote stories. We saw Hamlet together. She was nice, but made me sad. I can't explain it.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161272651336872752006-10-19T09:44:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:44:00.000-06:00God made the universe. We imitate what He made.I ...God made the universe. We imitate what He made.<BR/><BR/>I believe that if our imitations have elements that are not creative (i.e. destructive) we have made the opposite of art or anti art.<BR/><BR/>I guess I don't see how that's confusing. <BR/><BR/>Destructive things are things that cause us to have sin in our hearts or dishonor God. <BR/><BR/>But, when it comes down to it, people are going to like what they like. But, if we are defining art, we have to look a lot deeper than "I like it" or "It means something."<BR/><BR/>We have to look at the Source of all Creation and creativity.<BR/><BR/>God defines everything. We're free to choose what we like and dislike, but that doesn't make it art.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161272435458090022006-10-19T09:40:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:40:00.000-06:00Great way to end a discussion which is mostly made...Great way to end a discussion which is mostly made up of men; Hearing that KelliJ thought Wendy was hot... I think Ill go to the art museum after lunch today.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1161271468303662302006-10-19T09:24:00.000-06:002006-10-19T09:24:00.000-06:00Man, I was in the Midnight cafe at midnight postin...Man, I was in the Midnight cafe at midnight posting and no one was there. But thats cool.<BR/><BR/>Thank you Jamison. You expressed a point that I didnt want to do with my personal life.<BR/><BR/>If you express yourself what is it called then if its not art? Maybe we need to make a new word for it.<BR/><BR/>Josh I think you thought I WAS being a smart alec by your answers.<BR/>I promise you I dont doubt that God is the CREATOR. <BR/><BR/>Should we keep our art(feelings)to oursleves incase it is destructive or a stumbling block for our loved ones? Maybe so. That may be the only solution.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry. I tried to understand but I think I may not be on the same level as you spiritually cause all I am is confused. It was fun though. <BR/>I would love to know what kind of works are art if you want to share.<BR/><BR/>Wendi was hot!kelliejahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14426034949466829374noreply@blogger.com