tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post113932266870757535..comments2023-11-16T03:47:04.958-06:00Comments on Midnight Cafe Discussions: Adam and Steve?Mat Brewsterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10572618956112125321noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139613455702429522006-02-10T17:17:00.000-06:002006-02-10T17:17:00.000-06:00Ryan pretty much hit the nail on the head. A sign...Ryan pretty much hit the nail on the head. A sign is no place for hateful jokes. It should invite people in.<BR/><BR/>Jesus could be tough (the phrase whitewashed tombstones comes to mind) but he did it in person and he did it to hypocritical religious people accusing him of blasphemy.<BR/><BR/>what good would that sign do? <BR/><BR/>Golly Jim I've got to break up with you because a sign just told me that god didn't make no adam and steve. I've changed my ways.Mat Brewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10572618956112125321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139587449657962202006-02-10T10:04:00.000-06:002006-02-10T10:04:00.000-06:00Yeah, I just posted about the Christian virtues on...Yeah, I just posted about the Christian virtues on the other post, Ryan.<BR/><BR/>I totally agree. We have to be good, kind, content, loving, patient, and thoughtful people if we expect to draw people in.<BR/><BR/>A sign like that is shallow and cliche. Messages should be about constructive love and hope, not digs at people who won't listen to that anyway.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139587199432652552006-02-10T09:59:00.000-06:002006-02-10T09:59:00.000-06:00He was standing up for the guy who put it out ther...He was standing up for the guy who put it out there.<BR/><BR/>Our pulpit minister said in his email that he had put it there.<BR/><BR/>Again, I hope they pull his sign privileges. The guy is good and nice and love God and His Word, but he's not exactly the best person for outreach.<BR/><BR/>There just seems to be a disconnect there.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139587125277373092006-02-10T09:58:00.000-06:002006-02-10T09:58:00.000-06:00Jesus could also see into the hearts of men. Elde...Jesus could also see into the hearts of men. Elder so&so can't. Jesus may have seen a hardness of heart in the Pharisees that led him to be a little more harsh with them. They were "religious" people. What the sign is dealing with are sinners. Jesus never talked to sinners that way. He was never sarcastic or smart with them. Instead, he was always loving, caring, and very forgiving. That's how you convert someone who is not religious.Ryan F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16660649751507620475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139586471597982482006-02-10T09:47:00.000-06:002006-02-10T09:47:00.000-06:00Fred, thats what I kept telling that elder over an...Fred, thats what I kept telling that elder over and over again, he basically accused me of being politically correct and told me to look at how Jeus talked to the pharisees ... nothing I could say could win the argument for me.<BR/><BR/>In his defence, he did say he woudl not have put that sign out and said it wasnt in the best taste, yet he stood up for it like it was the work of his own hands.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139584761371671172006-02-10T09:19:00.000-06:002006-02-10T09:19:00.000-06:00I think I would have a problem with that as well i...I think I would have a problem with that as well if it were my church doing it. I think a sign should either encourage people, promote an event going on, or give them something good to ponder.<BR/><BR/>You have to ask, what was the purpose of that sign? How many gays drove by that sign and thought to themselves, "You know, that's right, I need to stop being gay." Or better yet, "I think I would like to attend that church and learn more about Christ."<BR/><BR/>If I'm not mistaken, I Cor. 12 & 13 speak of teaching others with something that is greater than any spiritual gift that someone could possess, LOVE. There wasn't an ounce of love intended in that sign. Of course, it's really just someone who loves to stir the pot, who thinks it's funny and it's all a big joke.Ryan F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16660649751507620475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139502566283932522006-02-09T10:29:00.000-06:002006-02-09T10:29:00.000-06:00Yeah, it's irksosme. It's also discouraging. I t...Yeah, it's irksosme. It's also discouraging. I think if people actually thought more about it, they'd see just how stupid an idea that sign was.<BR/><BR/>I understand the need to counteract "Brokeback Mountain" and all the social sabotage it brings with it, but there's no need to use cliches to do it.<BR/><BR/>That's just weak and silly. <BR/><BR/>If anything, a scripture reference to Genesis should have been given.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Gen 5:2<BR/><BR/>He created them male and female, and blessed them, and called their name "Adam," in the day when they were created.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139501741310114392006-02-09T10:15:00.000-06:002006-02-09T10:15:00.000-06:00I get that feeling too. I think it may be easier ...I get that feeling too. I think it may be easier for some to rail against a sin they would never struggle with than to deal with more personal sins in their own lives.lilsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00372898259175575200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139501081440255702006-02-09T10:04:00.000-06:002006-02-09T10:04:00.000-06:00what saddens me more id that I got the feeling las...what saddens me more id that I got the feeling last night that everyone at church gets a kick out of it... it is like we want to make fun of everyone outside the church and stay comfy and nestled inside our walls, if someone walks in, horray, we saved someone... WRONG! <BR/><BR/>We have to get them in the door, and making stupid jokes on our sign aint gonna get 'em in...<BR/><BR/>I could get back really good and make the VBS theme "Liars will be friars" or "All those going to hell" or better yet, make a skit out of someone who was about to come to church until they saw stupid signs then the rest of their life is filled with hookers, drigs, and alcohol...JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139497728743312062006-02-09T09:08:00.000-06:002006-02-09T09:08:00.000-06:00To me, it comes down to this; Jesus didn't taunt s...To me, it comes down to this; Jesus didn't taunt sinners. He knew that approach would never change anyone's heart. And I suspect if He did throw a zinger, it would be a lot more witty than "Adam and Steve."lilsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00372898259175575200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139491369585223762006-02-09T07:22:00.000-06:002006-02-09T07:22:00.000-06:00He's wrong, man. This particular elder is an ex-p...He's wrong, man. This particular elder is an ex-politician. That explains a lot right there. <BR/><BR/>The church is NOT political and never should be. His comment on not being "politically correct" was crap.<BR/><BR/>The church isn't supposed to be political at all! So, our signs, speech, sermons, lessons, etc. should probably reflect this fact.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139454385702186482006-02-08T21:06:00.000-06:002006-02-08T21:06:00.000-06:00im almost ashamed to tell yall how a conversation ...im almost ashamed to tell yall how a conversation with an elder went tonight...<BR/><BR/>I expressed how untactful the sign was and he stood up for it almost like it was his son. He said over and over about how I should expect the world to hate me because of my beleifs. I told him Ill take anything the world throws at me for the Word, for Christ, and for the church, but I shouldn't have to let people joke on my church because of a stupid sign that could have been used to BRING people in and not push them away.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139424266994854112006-02-08T12:44:00.000-06:002006-02-08T12:44:00.000-06:00LOL!It's true. I mean, reporting a cliche church ...LOL!<BR/><BR/>It's true. I mean, reporting a cliche church sign? Come on!bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139421519785087712006-02-08T11:58:00.000-06:002006-02-08T11:58:00.000-06:00dude responded to me... i said "Must have bee a sl...dude responded to me... i said "Must have bee a slow news day for you to report something like this... thank God for cable news."<BR/><BR/>He responded with "I guess things were kind of slow monday"<BR/><BR/>gotta hand it to him, he responds to emails.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139420008735413512006-02-08T11:33:00.000-06:002006-02-08T11:33:00.000-06:00A JAB? J A B...:)A JAB? J A B...<BR/><BR/>:)bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139419402306668852006-02-08T11:23:00.001-06:002006-02-08T11:23:00.001-06:00jab or job, i dont see him getting eitherjab or job, i dont see him getting eitherJShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139419381672093402006-02-08T11:23:00.000-06:002006-02-08T11:23:00.000-06:00i still think he is gay, and I don't see CNN or Fo...i still think he is gay, and I don't see CNN or Fox news calling him for a jab in the near future, despite his ability to report something so news-worthy.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139419355396845732006-02-08T11:22:00.000-06:002006-02-08T11:22:00.000-06:00I emailed him back and told him that website was b...I emailed him back and told him that website was biased toward the liberal-leaning end of the argument.<BR/><BR/>I also thanks him for his time and reply.<BR/><BR/>Not much else to do, I guess.<BR/><BR/>I'm still ashamed that no one stood up and spoke about the sign one way or the other.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139419271084965352006-02-08T11:21:00.000-06:002006-02-08T11:21:00.000-06:00Here's the reply I received from the reporter:Mr. ...Here's the reply I received from the reporter:<BR/><BR/>Mr. Sipper,<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Thank you for your e-mail. I understand your concerns. Before the story aired Monday night, I did a considerable amount of research on the internet and by calling ministers, priests, and religious professors in the Montgomery area. These experts did not feel comfortable speaking on camera. And, because the time limitations placed on me, I was not able to include every reference to homosexuality found in the bible.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>I also made repeated requests to Dalraida Church of Christ, asking to speak to ANYONE who was available. Church administrators would not even let me in the door and told me that NO member of the church or its staff or clergy was available to speak to me in person or by phone, cell phone, e-mail, or fax.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>While I am not here to endorse one side or the other, I realize that conservative and liberal Christians view this issue differently. We at WSFA 12 News were in no way trying to endorse either of these viewpoints. We understand that the church was well within its rights to display the sign and that some passing motorists took offense to it.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>I found a web site earlier that does a good job of explaining the two schools of thought (conservative and liberal) on this issue. While I realize you are probably well-versed in this area, I placed the link below, should you be interested.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Thanks again for your e-mail and let me know if I can be of further assistance.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Mark Bullock<BR/>WSFA 12 News<BR/>334.613.8265 (direct)<BR/>334.284.5276 (newsline)<BR/>334.288.1212 (general)<BR/>www.wsfa.combigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139410213135232842006-02-08T08:50:00.000-06:002006-02-08T08:50:00.000-06:00Ouch, that hurts, man.Something must be done.I thi...Ouch, that hurts, man.<BR/><BR/>Something must be done.<BR/><BR/>I think your next presentation should be "The Dangers of Church Signs".bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139407742700317432006-02-08T08:09:00.000-06:002006-02-08T08:09:00.000-06:00my wife came home yesterday saying half her staff ...my wife came home yesterday saying half her staff was "giving it to her" about the sign... not that they were mad, just laughing it up.<BR/>And it affected her greatly...<BR/><BR/>It seems our church is, rather than a source of comfort and a means by which people can come to Christ, nothing but a joke to the community.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837745315360109036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139404614984142402006-02-08T07:16:00.000-06:002006-02-08T07:16:00.000-06:00Yeah, it's ridiculous all around. It's embarrassi...Yeah, it's ridiculous all around. It's embarrassing, too.<BR/><BR/>Like I said, we need to take the pulpit minister's sign privileges away.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139362250066618142006-02-07T19:30:00.000-06:002006-02-07T19:30:00.000-06:00This is stupid. Why would you put a sign up like ...This is stupid. Why would you put a sign up like that? It doesn't encourage, it doesn't teach. It's a cheap joke, really. And a very tired one at that.<BR/><BR/>But why is it news? Talk about a slow day in MontgomeryMat Brewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10572618956112125321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139332478434878102006-02-07T11:14:00.000-06:002006-02-07T11:14:00.000-06:00Preach it sister!I am sort of not surprised that t...Preach it sister!<BR/><BR/>I am sort of not surprised that this whole "controversy" came up. I mean, the sign is right off Atlanta Hwy and it always has something silly on it.<BR/><BR/>I just hope we can get that changed somehow.bigsiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435879973761006243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13746420.post-1139332259452365352006-02-07T11:10:00.000-06:002006-02-07T11:10:00.000-06:00I agree with Sip, it should at least say homosexua...I agree with Sip, it should at least say homosexuality is not right by using a scripture. So many denominations interpret the Bible for their own benefit, why not be the only church on the block that actually puts the words out of God's mouth onto the sign?Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08286425629885675046noreply@blogger.com